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	<description>Thoughts and stories from a vegan-turned-hunter</description>
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		<title>By: Tovar</title>
		<link>http://www.tovarcerulli.com/2010/07/ceremony-for-a-meal/#comment-1332</link>
		<dc:creator>Tovar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 20:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting thoughts and info, Richard. Thanks!

Our varying degrees of reflection and awareness may, indeed, be a large part of what makes the experiences and perspectives of one group of hunters different from another group’s.

I do often lean toward the word “spiritual,” as I tend to associate “religious” with religion as an institution. Yet “religious” can be a helpful word, too, evoking both individual experiences (such as awe) and our penchant for forging collective traditions (whether in tribal settings, in city churches, or elsewhere). And, etymologically, “religion” suggests “re-binding.” What could be better than a re-binding of human and nature?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting thoughts and info, Richard. Thanks!</p>
<p>Our varying degrees of reflection and awareness may, indeed, be a large part of what makes the experiences and perspectives of one group of hunters different from another group’s.</p>
<p>I do often lean toward the word “spiritual,” as I tend to associate “religious” with religion as an institution. Yet “religious” can be a helpful word, too, evoking both individual experiences (such as awe) and our penchant for forging collective traditions (whether in tribal settings, in city churches, or elsewhere). And, etymologically, “religion” suggests “re-binding.” What could be better than a re-binding of human and nature?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Mellott</title>
		<link>http://www.tovarcerulli.com/2010/07/ceremony-for-a-meal/#comment-1327</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Mellott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 23:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of &quot;religious,&quot;  I think you actually mean &quot;spiritual.&quot;  There is recently published research by a team of neuropsychologists from the University of Pensylvania (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/questionofgod/voices/newberg.html) which talks about the religious and spiritual aspects of brain function at the neurochemical level.  Very interesting reading, and dealing with what I keep referring to as &quot;a glitch in the matrix.&quot;  So, when our experiences, which we self-elect, are involved in the ending of another&#039;s life, there are probably traceable neurological functions, relating to this complex issue of how we experience reality and how we choose to interpret it for our use.  
I think as we probe these concepts here, we continuously need to think about how much effort we put into doing things responsibly, because these choices we make will eventually filter down to the rest of our experiences.  I am a great fan of the &quot;medical model,&quot; having worked in Special Education for a long time, and having a modicrum of understanding of neurological and psychological disorders.  
Since it is a difficult thing to translate into layman&#039;s terms, I often just refer to it as our duty to understand how we think, feel, and choose to act.  Some are more consciously aware than others, and others function on a strictly &quot;need to know&quot; basis.  What do I need to survive?  No, what do I need to know, in order to act.  &quot;Consequences be damned, I&#039;m in this for myself,&quot; vs. &quot;I wonder why we do this...?&quot;
I think most of us here fall into the second category, if you get what I&#039;m laying down.  You choose, but still have a sense of wonder.  Others are just thrill seekers.
Is that the difference between the &quot;mindful carnivore&quot; and the &quot;blood-sport hunter?&quot;  What do you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of &#8220;religious,&#8221;  I think you actually mean &#8220;spiritual.&#8221;  There is recently published research by a team of neuropsychologists from the University of Pensylvania (<a href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/questionofgod/voices/newberg.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/questionofgod/voices/newberg.html</a>) which talks about the religious and spiritual aspects of brain function at the neurochemical level.  Very interesting reading, and dealing with what I keep referring to as &#8220;a glitch in the matrix.&#8221;  So, when our experiences, which we self-elect, are involved in the ending of another&#8217;s life, there are probably traceable neurological functions, relating to this complex issue of how we experience reality and how we choose to interpret it for our use.<br />
I think as we probe these concepts here, we continuously need to think about how much effort we put into doing things responsibly, because these choices we make will eventually filter down to the rest of our experiences.  I am a great fan of the &#8220;medical model,&#8221; having worked in Special Education for a long time, and having a modicrum of understanding of neurological and psychological disorders.<br />
Since it is a difficult thing to translate into layman&#8217;s terms, I often just refer to it as our duty to understand how we think, feel, and choose to act.  Some are more consciously aware than others, and others function on a strictly &#8220;need to know&#8221; basis.  What do I need to survive?  No, what do I need to know, in order to act.  &#8220;Consequences be damned, I&#8217;m in this for myself,&#8221; vs. &#8220;I wonder why we do this&#8230;?&#8221;<br />
I think most of us here fall into the second category, if you get what I&#8217;m laying down.  You choose, but still have a sense of wonder.  Others are just thrill seekers.<br />
Is that the difference between the &#8220;mindful carnivore&#8221; and the &#8220;blood-sport hunter?&#8221;  What do you think?</p>
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		<title>By: Tovar</title>
		<link>http://www.tovarcerulli.com/2010/07/ceremony-for-a-meal/#comment-1325</link>
		<dc:creator>Tovar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 13:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatever our individual beliefs, I think hunting is one of those powerful experiences that can evoke the &quot;religious&quot; within us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever our individual beliefs, I think hunting is one of those powerful experiences that can evoke the &#8220;religious&#8221; within us.</p>
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		<title>By: Arthur</title>
		<link>http://www.tovarcerulli.com/2010/07/ceremony-for-a-meal/#comment-1323</link>
		<dc:creator>Arthur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 02:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tovar,

I too think giving thanks is extremely important in the whole process.  And, because of my religious beliefs, I am giving thanks to the animal as well as thanks to God for providing meat for my family&#039;s table.

Having that intimate connection to nature, and ultimately to the food we seek, is what makes me hunt.  It&#039;s awesome!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tovar,</p>
<p>I too think giving thanks is extremely important in the whole process.  And, because of my religious beliefs, I am giving thanks to the animal as well as thanks to God for providing meat for my family&#8217;s table.</p>
<p>Having that intimate connection to nature, and ultimately to the food we seek, is what makes me hunt.  It&#8217;s awesome!</p>
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		<title>By: Tovar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tovar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 14:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Casey.

Like you, I find that giving thanks feels important and even necessary. Yet, when I stop to think about it, I realize it&#039;s not easy for me to articulate exactly why.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Casey.</p>
<p>Like you, I find that giving thanks feels important and even necessary. Yet, when I stop to think about it, I realize it&#8217;s not easy for me to articulate exactly why.</p>
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		<title>By: Casey Harn</title>
		<link>http://www.tovarcerulli.com/2010/07/ceremony-for-a-meal/#comment-1317</link>
		<dc:creator>Casey Harn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 22:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post Tovar!

My &quot;ceremony&quot; evolves, it seems, year-to-year. But the bottom line is, I understand that it is necessary to give thanks in some way. I would be ashamed if I didn&#039;t, especially with a critter I killed. Even found myself giving some sort of thanks to the critters killed by people I&#039;m with at the time. 

But I struggle sometimes with how others approach this, when they think that thanks aren&#039;t necessary. I consider myself on the good side, along with you and your readers, it seems. 

And I&#039;m thankful for that, too.

Keep up the good work, and congrats on the CNN piece!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post Tovar!</p>
<p>My &#8220;ceremony&#8221; evolves, it seems, year-to-year. But the bottom line is, I understand that it is necessary to give thanks in some way. I would be ashamed if I didn&#8217;t, especially with a critter I killed. Even found myself giving some sort of thanks to the critters killed by people I&#8217;m with at the time. </p>
<p>But I struggle sometimes with how others approach this, when they think that thanks aren&#8217;t necessary. I consider myself on the good side, along with you and your readers, it seems. </p>
<p>And I&#8217;m thankful for that, too.</p>
<p>Keep up the good work, and congrats on the CNN piece!</p>
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		<title>By: Tovar</title>
		<link>http://www.tovarcerulli.com/2010/07/ceremony-for-a-meal/#comment-1313</link>
		<dc:creator>Tovar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 16:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Josh!

Like you and NorCal, I feel the best we can do is “reach down deep” and build our traditions as we move along. As NorCal says, the acknowledgment means a lot.

By the way, the comments on the CNN profile have gotten interesting. Some are insightful. Others are reminding me how easy it is for certainty to lead to viciousness. I’ve learned, for example, that you, dear readers, are ignorant and that I was never really a vegan. Ah well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Josh!</p>
<p>Like you and NorCal, I feel the best we can do is “reach down deep” and build our traditions as we move along. As NorCal says, the acknowledgment means a lot.</p>
<p>By the way, the comments on the CNN profile have gotten interesting. Some are insightful. Others are reminding me how easy it is for certainty to lead to viciousness. I’ve learned, for example, that you, dear readers, are ignorant and that I was never really a vegan. Ah well.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 15:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cazadora, it&#039;s probably even sadder because you know me, and you know how (in)frequently that actually occurs...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cazadora, it&#8217;s probably even sadder because you know me, and you know how (in)frequently that actually occurs&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: NorCal Cazadora</title>
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		<dc:creator>NorCal Cazadora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 13:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, Josh, that last line makes me so sad!

I&#039;ll weigh in here, though I&#039;m at the wrong spot in the nest for a general comment. I, too, Tovar, am developing my own traditions as I move along. This is probably one of the reasons I&#039;m delving so deeply into what we humans did before agriculture came along and brought radical change to our planet. Based on what I&#039;ve learned so far, I think any expression of gratitude or request for forgiveness acknowledges that food has a cost beyond the money we plunk down at the supermarket. I think that acknowledgment means a lot, because anything we take for granted we tend to treat with disrespect (hence modern food production and popular attitudes toward it).

Hunting has taught me to respect my food more than anything else ever has. Well, OK, Hank&#039;s cooking has helped too ;-).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, Josh, that last line makes me so sad!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll weigh in here, though I&#8217;m at the wrong spot in the nest for a general comment. I, too, Tovar, am developing my own traditions as I move along. This is probably one of the reasons I&#8217;m delving so deeply into what we humans did before agriculture came along and brought radical change to our planet. Based on what I&#8217;ve learned so far, I think any expression of gratitude or request for forgiveness acknowledges that food has a cost beyond the money we plunk down at the supermarket. I think that acknowledgment means a lot, because anything we take for granted we tend to treat with disrespect (hence modern food production and popular attitudes toward it).</p>
<p>Hunting has taught me to respect my food more than anything else ever has. Well, OK, Hank&#8217;s cooking has helped too <img src='http://www.tovarcerulli.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 04:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great job getting mentioned at CNN!  

Also ditto on Phillip&#039;s other comments.  And yours.  

As for the German tradition, no thanks.  Too sad.  I&#039;ve got a Christian tradition coupled with some really close connections to the land that I reach down deep for, whenever I&#039;m lucky and blessed enough to get something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great job getting mentioned at CNN!  </p>
<p>Also ditto on Phillip&#8217;s other comments.  And yours.  </p>
<p>As for the German tradition, no thanks.  Too sad.  I&#8217;ve got a Christian tradition coupled with some really close connections to the land that I reach down deep for, whenever I&#8217;m lucky and blessed enough to get something.</p>
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